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RW Editor Did you see that I created two template pages and put instructions on how to use them on the discussion pages for each template. If you agree, we can add them to the "help" pages and to the pages that discuss the book and author templates. Let me know if you want me to do it (do I have the right "permission"?). --Kay T 16:59, 3 January 2007 (PST)


Thank you muchly for the welcome. Roaming27 00:10, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Historical Romance Titles - genre

I thought you might like to check out the discussion at Talk:Historical_Romance_Titles.
I've also left a message at Kay T 's to get her input too. I wasn't sure who else might be interested. Roaming27 00:43, 13 January 2007 (PST)


Okay, I see lots of activity with the categories. Are you thinking that historical romances should go in their subcategory (only)?? Like Regency, Western? And it looks like you are getting rid of Historical -- Regency. Right? Cool. --Kay T 13:22, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Yay!!! Looks like you had a busy weekend. --Kay T 16:32, 19 February 2007 (PST)

Too Wild to Tame

The book Too Wild To Tame (Janelle Denison) is actually Too Wilde To Tame. Do you know how to fix the page title?--Kay T 16:52, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Yeah, it's a matter of moving the page to the new page. Not a big deal. I can't believe I (and it was me!) misspelled the title. I'd even reviewed the book, so no excuses.--Romancewiki 21:15, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Susan King/Sarah Gabriel

I've made a real mess with this. First of all I made an entry for Sarah Gabriel, which is fine, but then I created a King, Susan page, which isn't the way it's supposed to be. So I had to delete all the content on it and make a Susan King page. But I was still confused, so instead I made a Sarah King page. Then I realised my mistake and deleted the content from the Sarah King page and finally succeeded in making a Susan King page. So now I have the two pages I want, but there are still two wrong pages, one for 'King, Susan' and the other for 'Sarah King'. I can't delete them but I was hoping you could. I've deleted all the content so that it's very clear which pages are the ones that need to be removed. --Laura V 00:31, 2 March 2007 (PST)

categories redux

I have been playing with the category:Plot Devices, trying to put that category (Plot Devices) on all of the existing categories that are plot devices (that makes them subcategories, right?). Of course, I don't necessarily know the difference between plot devices and some other element of the book, like the career of the characters (which might be a plot device??). Anyway, you can take a look (I should probably have Laura V look at these too). I think I must have been a librarian in another life. --Kay T 17:35, 2 March 2007 (PST)

I put a note on her user talk page. I am never sure how to carry out a conversation on these user pages, but... --Kay T 11:23, 3 March 2007 (PST)

more categories and things

I created a category for the "continuity" series from the publishers called category:Publisher Continuity Series, to try and capture all of those series, especially those which are written by different authors (and did not see an existing category for those). Especially since Leigh is adding such great lists from the numbered series, I wanted a category for those mini-series. Of course, the term "series" and various categories (Romance Series, Romantic Series) are sort of confusing, since we all use the term slightly differently. SO, I created a Series (disambiguation) page to list the uses that I found here at RW. I wanted to try to use and understand the existing categories. Hope I have not confused things further. --Kay T 13:28, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

You're welcome

I am definitely in maintenance mode. Don't feel like tackling anything big. I had never reverted any pages, but found the vandalism (perhaps inadvertent) yesterday and really wanted to fix. You and Leigh are in power mode! --Kay T 16:31, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Re: Welcome!

Very many thanks for the welcome, I'm form Spain and I know that my English isn't very good. Almost all the romantic novels that are published in my country are of authors who write in English. I have much information on them and I like to share it. If some of my phrases is not correct you do not doubt in changing it. Thanks. --E-romance 03:18, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Sorting Authors by Last Name

It occurred to me that as we get more "Author -" pages (like category:California Authors) that it looks weird to have them sorted by first name and it would be BIG pain in the patootie to go back and put in the correct sort key (last name) for each category for each author (category:RITA Winners being the only category I see that has the pipe-sort key on last name). Big-Wiki has come up with the new "Default Sort" key (enclosed in double french brackets pipe and then last name) which sorts the name correctly for all categories. Of course, even doing that for all authors would be a big job and I was wondering if you had looked into (or have hubby create) any bots? I am truly ignorant on this front except that they exist on wiki and automate some tasks (like open page, insert template, save page). So ... ?? 1 - do we want to fix the sort on these pages? 2 - do we want to use this default sort key? and 3 - can we automate it somehow? If we want to do it and can't automate... maybe with "all" the workers we have now we could do it is a timely fashion. We could also put it in the template for future author additions. --Kay T 17:47, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

I'll ask. I've presented my "wish list" of's hoping I have some pull with the techie side of house! You're right that it would be a pain to do retroactively -- either solution!--Romancewiki 18:03, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
As you can see I tested out the default sort key using Jennifer Crusie's page. It did fix the sort for her on all of the pages, make it sort on her last name. It also occurs to me as I am in random author category fixing mode that I could be putting it in the default sort key as I go along, but that would mean that some authors would sort on last name and others not until we got it done. On the other hand maybe that would not be that bad. --Kay T 18:13, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
It's definitely a start. I'll play with the key as I'm working on content updates -- see if there are any bugs or weirdnesses that we're not seeing.

same name, different authors

Last night I noticed that Alison Tyler is a name used by a currently writing erotica author AND a pseudonym used by Elise Title. How are we going to handle that? I also posted this on Leigh's page too. Or have we run into this before?--Kay T 16:10, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

I have encountered this once before -- there are two different authors named Kathryn Blair )Authors - B, scroll down). I ended up numbering them "1" and "2" and then doing a cross-reference back and forth in case someone was looking for the "other" Kathryn Blair (okay, I cross-referenced one and just fixed my error on the other).--Romancewiki 20:01, 31 May 2007 (PDT)
okay, actually at this point the "other" Alison Tyler is not mentioned on here. Also, do you have a good way to check pseudonyms? FantasticFiction says that Alison Tyler is Elise Title's pseudonym (and since she was writing for Harlequin in the 80s that makes sense), but the Elise Title web site does not mention it and I could not find confirmation anywhere. I may have added it to the Elise page, but this was still a work in progress. I tried to e-mail her and the address was no good.
Oh, I tried out that DEFAULTSORT thing on a couple of books that were "The..." so that they showed up alphabetized correctly on various category pages. It seemed to work (The Unsung Hero is the one I think I did). It just saves having to put the word you want to be alphabetized by in every category. --Kay T 10:29, 1 June 2007 (PDT)
Cool. I'll start using the DEFAULTSORT as I edit old entries and add new entries. Very useful thing, don't you think? As for good resources for pseudonyms, there are a few that I encounter as I work. This page has links to three I use regularly (you'd think I'd bookmark stuff, wouldn't you?). I also find out about pseudonyms from strange, random sources -- you'd think this stuff would be a breeze to find, wouldn't you?--Romancewiki 18:44, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

Publisher page

I started to add info to the pubishers (electronic, print), and then decided it looked better as a table here User:Kay_T/sandbox_publishers. But then couldn't decide if it would be too confusing for most users to update (the wikicode is not very friendly). What do you think? --Kay T 12:14, 19 July 2007 (PDT)

okay I added the table to the publishers page. We could even get fancy and add a column for genre (erotica, inspirational), but that might also get complicated. No, what book are you reading this weekend? I am in a real slump. --Kay T 17:54, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
Starts with Harry... Actually, if you're into historicals, check out the Jeane Westin series or Elizabeth Hoyt's work. I've been very happy with both of these fairly new authors.
after I logged off I realized what you were talking about (also after reading PR and commenting on that wonderful book). You know, I go in spurts on the historicals. Something about the name Elizabeth Hoyt sounds familiar so I might give her a try. It is not like I don't have loads of TBR, just nothing that grabs me. So did you get your Harry book? Looks like you are busy here, not reading!--Kay T 11:20, 21 July 2007 (PDT)
I know how it is when nothing seems interesting. That's when I turn to old favorites (which usually leads a review on PR. I am really pleased with the Hoyts -- she's working in an unusual historical time period and has very unusual heroes. I hate to use the word "refreshing", but it really is a joy to read about imperfect heroes, truly imperfect. And no book yet -- hence the work I'm doing now. My friend got his about a half hour ago; his mail person told him that she was delivering all the books first. Clearly, she has her priorities straight! --Romancewiki 11:27, 21 July 2007 (PDT)

I think I finally fixed all of the mystery pages added by Daisymau. Lots of book pages with no other info on them, just blurbs! Thank goodness for "what links here", but I just had one that I had to do some sleuthing to figure out which book she was talking about!Oh well, keeps me busy when I could be CLEANING! have a good weekend. --Kay T 12:53, 21 July 2007 (PDT)

blanked pages

did you know that there is the category category:Blanked Pages? I think these probably could be deleted. If you are looking for just housecleaning to do!--Kay T 13:08, 21 July 2007 (PDT)

publishers - Warner to Grand Central

I am in an indecisive mood. I moved Warner to Grand Central Publishing with a redirect. But what to do with Warner Forever? Forever is a book page. Should we move it to Forever (Grand Central Publishing) or (GCP)? Does it really matter?...Ah well!--Kay T 18:21, 21 August 2007 (PDT)

Ah, the changing of the guard. Or the changing of a name (doesn't this one sound like a coffee house? I remain perplexed by this choice, even as I understand the reasons behind it.) My first question would be "Are we certain that Warner Forever is changing its name?" If so, it should probably be redirected to Grand Central Forever or Forever (Grand Central Publishing) or whatever the imprint becomes. Clearly, publishers need to check with us before making these changes!
My brain is feeling a bit like mush today -- I think this has been the longest August on record. The good news is that I've done tons of behind-the-scenes work in preparation for a major content load soon!--Romancewiki 19:54, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
I agree that the name is lame. Let's hold off to actually see the spines of these new Forever books, and then ... I was laughing as I changed the publishers chart at your wonderful wish that we would not need to change it -- much. I just left in all the names redirecting to the others.
August has turned out to be just as icky as July. I really wish we got the summers off and could spend it watching old movies on TV (what I did the summer I turned 13 or 14) with time off for the pool or beach. Lots of interesting stuff going on here. I am going to explore the bot assisted editing at some time due to LOTS of uncategorized additions lately. Makes me crazy. My niece-in-law called me a nerd the other day. --Kay T 11:53, 22 August 2007 (PDT)
Agreed. We revert to our teenage selves and sit around all day. I'm terrified to wonder what I am if you're a nerd...--Romancewiki 20:06, 22 August 2007 (PDT)
Hi, I have restored the Warner page because I think it should be kept for historical reasons. No way a Warner Forever book of April 2007 - and accordingly labelled on the spine - is going to change into a Grand Central Publishing Forever just because the owner renamed its imprint and Amazon lists it that way. I'll stick to whatever is written on the book itself - front cover, spine or back cover. It is so much easier than to find out which corporation now owns the Publisher, imprint or series. I has a similar problem with the ever changing names of some Mills & Boon imprints and hopefully found a good way to work around it.
I wish we would have a icky summer - it's cold and rainy! --ursel 03:25, 20 July 2008 (PDT)

Time Sink

Hi Hi. I'm just using the Romance Wiki as a time sink. I'm actually supposed to be revising one of my manuscripts. But, this is a fun time sink and it helps out my publisher. --Kuriosama 16:59, 22 August 2007 (PDT)

discussion options

You said: Finally, and I feel bad about cluttering up Kay's page (okay, I don't), is it time to start a list for discussion, etc? Thoughts? Ideas? I've also considered starting a RomanceWiki blog, but it's more thought than action (obviously....--Romancewiki 21:36, 24 August 2007 (PDT)

Ha! I showed you and moved it here! Have you considered a village pump page (or whatever they call it on the big wiki) where we could just chat on the wiki? I know it still is somewhat clunky, but it might serve the purpose we are talking about. --Kay T 21:22, 25 August 2007 (PDT)

Never fear. I will find a way to return this to your page. Just not right now. We could try the village pump thing -- village square, something that connotes reading, romancing, cotillion -- though I agree that it's a clunky solution. It will, at the very least, serve as a right-now solution. This is veering uncomfortably toward a discussion I initiated in a meeting (sigh, meetings!) where the topic became that a mix of technologies would provide a better result than unwavering belief in a single solution. I, naturally, lost that battle, but feel pretty darn high horsey in the fact that I was right (g).--Romancewiki 09:33, 26 August 2007 (PDT)
Have you experienced SharePoint? If it wasn't Microsoft I might be more enthusiastic, but it clearly is an idea that is being allowed to develop into whatever works. They now have blog/discussion/and I think even wikis under the SharePoint umbrella to be used in companies. (not that that has anything to do with here, but just being the nerds that we are). I have been back in the big-wiki world writing articles on -- amusement parks. I am constantly amazed at the vastness of that place and always running into a new feature/quirk. We are so cozy here. How are the resources holding up here? Lots of new info being added. --Kay T 16:58, 26 August 2007 (PDT)


Thanks for the welcome! Yes, those categories are somewhat baffling but I tried to do the best I could :) Love the wiki! --Amy 07:07, 27 August 2007 (PDT)

Mirage pages to be deleted

See discussion at User:DawnBurn about the two pages that need to be deleted. I told her to put the category:Pages To Be Deleted on the messed up pages. okay?--Kay T 15:01, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

So I created Template:Deletion (and the associated Template:Message Box & Template:Message Box Image) which places a placard on the page and adds the category automatically. So people just have to do {{Deletion}} at the top of pages that they want to mark for deletion and then the message box will show up AND it will be auto added to the Category:Pages To Be Deleted for Romancewiki's ease.--DawnBurn 16:13, 4 September 2007 (PDT)

Same Title Multiple Authors

I created Help:Same Title Multiple Authors and edited Book Template to try and recommend the format discussed below and to also encourage others to use the Category and create the pages. Please take a look. --DawnBurn 15:52, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

I aksed a question about how to name pages for anthologies that share a title with other books over at Help talk:Same Title Multiple Authors. Kay T and I both like [[Title - Anthology]] -- if you agree, can I go ahead and add how to name such pages onto Help:Same Title Multiple Authors and Help:Style Manual? Thanks, --Amy 14:53, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

Amy - Great solution! It follows the protocol established for other "same title" books, which in my mind makes for an elegant solution. I'm on vacation this week (summer vacation a month late, but at least it's happening), so will be uber-slow in responding (just in case anyone is seeking me).--Romancewiki 22:03, 22 October 2007 (PDT)
Thanks, I'll go ahead and add that to the help pages. Also, Kay T brought up the fact that there is at least one case where two anthologies share the same title and suggested using the publisher in the place of the author name -- which I think the only real solution in such a case. --Amy 13:49, 23 October 2007 (PDT)

Harlequin Historical By The Numbers

Hi there :) I've been adding books to the Harlequin Historical By The Numbers page and it's getting quite long. Do you think someone (maybe me, assuming it's not too complicated) should divide it up by 100s like Harlequin Presents By The Numbers and other similar pages? Thanks, --Amy 15:24, 4 September 2007 (PDT)

Help talk:Moving, Deleting, Merging Pages

See discussion. What do you think? I don't want to misuse my admin powers. <grin> --Kay T 10:47, 15 September 2007 (PDT)

Adding Category link to nav panel

I have a new Category index page ready to go (see User:Kay T/sandbox categories), but I am not sure where to link to it from (other than the help pages). Can I make it a link from the navigation panel on the left? I was going to try to figure out how to do that yesterday and WORK got in the way. Or something. How annoying. Also I responded on my page to your question. --Kay T 14:43, 22 September 2007 (PDT)

Reading - Brockway

I loved Hot Dish and just reread it, then thought, she must have a new one out. Skinny Dipping has not grabbed me but it was a crazy weekend and I have not really had time to read. I am listening to Pride and Prejudice in the car (about a hour a day) and then we have been watching DVDs in the evening. So... I am also among the missing most of the time, but I try to get by a couple of times a week and "welcome." What are you reading?--Kay T 17:22, 30 January 2008 (PST)

Well, so far Skinny Dipping is not as good as Hot Dish. I have been indoctrinated to dislike prologues from Ms. Crusie, so when I see one that really takes off in some weird direction, I am immediately on guard. Then the first two chapters rambled along. Finally the book really started in the third chapter. I spent my falling asleep time rewriting the beginning of the book to move the prologue and beginning chapters later in the book (or delete entirely)! It could have been so funny and engaging. Oh well, the rest of the book seems to be going along pretty well. On the other hand, Elizabeth is experiencing her first dinner at Rosings, where Lady Catherine DeBorg, patron of Mr. Collins, lives. Are you a P&P fan? YES! I am in a real slow spot now, there does not seem to be any really good new books. Have you read Tara Janzen? She has a couple of new ones in her super-spy series. Also I assume you read Tied to the Tracks by Rosina Lippi. I finally got ahold of it and love it. Finally, this is the time of year I re-read Susan Elizabeth Phillips. I bought Breathing Room to download to my Ipod. I usually read it once a year along with First Lady (which I read twice last year), This Heart of Mine, Ain't She Sweet, Heaven, Texas and others. --Kay T 11:35, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Publisher lines

See question on RomanceWiki:Community Discussion. --Kay T 11:51, 31 January 2008 (PST)


Thank you for the welcome. Bathilda 00:10, 29 January 2009 (PST)

two pages with same name

How can this happen? There are two book pages (the same book) that look to me to be identical. Different things link to each of them. See the listing in category:Magic for The Tides of Maryna’s Love and The Tides of Maryna's Love. Crazy. --Kay T 04:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Plus I did not get a notice that you wrote on my discussion page. This place is getty spooky. Hope you are weathering the server problems. I wonder if we want to go ahead a delete all of the pages for deletion or do anything else to help clean up the site? Hoping that size is not an issue in the latest problems. have a good weekend (let us not spend all the time wiki-ing).--Kay T 19:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I did get an email this time. Yay!--Kay T 21:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding Categories?

I've been adding to the wiki now for about a month and I have been using the categories list to add subject categories to my entries. Well, my inner librarian is coming out because I look for certain terms to describe my books and they are not on the list -- for example "Snowbound" or "Companion" (not all regency heroines that work are governesses) or "Inheritance" and others. Is there some protocol to add terms to the categories list? Thanks -- Bluestocking 18:00, 12 March 2009 (Central)

In case Romancewiki does not get back to you right away, I will pitch in with my two cents worth. You can always add a category on a page. It shows up as red and will be waiting to be "created" as a new category, and it is okay to leave it like this for a bit to see what other people think of the category. If it seems to be a category that others use, or that makes sense, then you or someone (like me) can create the category page. I am not sure if you have looked at the hierarchy of categories in the Help section here (RomanceWiki:Category Index). I don't really see a "subject" type of category per se, but "snowbound" would fit under "location" and "Companion" would be a type of character occupation, right? There are also things listed under "plot devices" that might include these types of categories ("Plot devices being used for a broad category of things like themes, etc.). If you create a new category, it is good to categorize that category so that it is easily found in this hierarchy. Another thing we want to avoid is a bunch of duplicate categories like vampire, vampires, vampyres, vampyre, blood-suckers - you get the idea. I am not a librarian, nor do I play one on the wiki, so if you want to make suggestions about the category structure, please feel free to do so. When I go in to clean up the categories every once in awhile, I try to make sure the category is categorized and to get rid of duplicate categories. --Kay T 00:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll go back and review the books I've posted to add some of the categories I thought would be appropriate. -- Bluestocking 14:50, 14 March 2009 (Central)

RomanceWiki, I did get your message and I would not have thought to use Cabin Romance for Snowbound -- especially since some of the Regencies I have where they are snowbound, the characters are not in a cabin. Thanks! -- Bluestocking 18:30, 21 March 2009 (Central)

Linking to specific title Series by the Numbers page

RomanceWiki -- I've been working on Maura Seger's pseudonyms and I'm baffled by the one title on the Laura Michaels page I filled in. Tune in Tomorrow is a Meteor Kismet and I've filled out that page, but the link on the Kismet By The Numbers page is not linking to the book page I created. Please direct me on how I should edit either the Book page or the series page to get the linking corrected. Thanks -- Bluestocking 20:30, 23 March 2009 (Central)